Moonlight Episode Discussion - Ep 9: Fleur de Lis

[wpgrace]

Oh I'm with y'all on all of this...

They DO look beautiful together, dressed alike and both looking so similarly indeed... they must've made the other vamps verrrrrry jealous at times, when they showed up as a couple...
She is adorable in this whole ep... she is really turning on the playful charm. And yes, she could behave otherwise too... over time, she must have utterly exhausted Mick...

I don't think her comment about the 50 K is so cold considering what Mick likely told her about Haggens' OWN comments about "owning" rather than "loving" his wife. Haggens kinda set the tone for the marriage, and for Mick's surveillance task, with that comment.

And that pic with the pursed lips... oh GA! What a fabulous screen cap!!!!

[GuardianAngel]

I don't think her comment about the 50 K is so cold considering what Mick likely told her about Haggens' OWN comments about "owning" rather than "loving" his wife. Haggens kinda set the tone for the marriage, and for Mick's surveillance task, with that comment.

That is true, grace. More along the lines of how he thinks rather than her.

TeeHee. Like those pursed lips, huh?

[wpgrace]

I don't think her comment about the 50 K is so cold considering what Mick likely told her about Haggens' OWN comments about "owning" rather than "loving" his wife. Haggens kinda set the tone for the marriage, and for Mick's surveillance task, with that comment.

That is true, grace. More along the lines of how he thinks rather than her.

TeeHee. Like those pursed lips, huh?

Uh huh... yeah... maybe... a little... oh h*ll!

[redwinter101]

I also wanted to mention, this isn't Coraline. It's Morgan. (Yes before you think I've lost my marbles, I know they're one and the same.) It's not just that she portrays a different face to the rest of the world, she's playing a role and has created an entire persona - she's living as Morgan. And Morgan's human - so I don't think it's a stretch that there are differences. We see it really clearly in TMC when she reverts back to Coraline - the whole look, feel, even her voice is different.

As Morgan, she has a lightness that Coraline never had - even when Coraline was enjoying herself there was a darkness there. But Morgan's Coraline-lite.

Of course the background to her creation is all deception, murder and manipulation, but that doesn't mean she's not enjoying her moment in the sun.

Red

[wpgrace]

Of course the background to her creation is all deception, murder and manipulation, but that doesn't mean she's not enjoying her moment in the sun.

Red

Literally. You are so clever, Red.

[Luxe de Luxe]

Perhaps as a human, Coraline could be free of some of the constraints that may have been contributing to her 'darkness' as you say, Red. I mean six Royal brothers, coming from a time when woman were chattels, the origin of the tattoo (which we suspect was a punishment). I think Coraline had a lot of trauma in her life and 'Morgan' could perhaps be freer to express those lighter aspects of herself.

[GuardianAngel]

But Morgan's Coraline-lite.

LOL. I like that, Red.

Luxe, I think that is true. Coraline is free to literally BE someone else for a little while. Why not make it someone she can enjoy being. Someone without worries - who can have fun.

[coco]

But Morgan's Coraline-lite.

LOL. I like that, Red.

Luxe, I think that is true. Coraline is free to literally BE someone else for a little while. Why not make it someone she can enjoy being. Someone without worries - who can have fun.

And possibly have attributes that Mick would find attractive that Coraline lacked?

[Luxe de Luxe]

I'm a firm believer that you can't show what's not already inside somewhere, coco. I mean, could you imagine Margaret Thatcher trying to be cute and funny and charming? Noooot gunna work, is it?

[wpgrace]

Ya know, it's possible that 20 some-odd-years without Mick, after he burned her alive, which likely gave her a message or two... she did some soul searching, had some revelations, maybe went back-packing all by herself in Thailand...

And found a part of herself that she hadn't known was there herself.

[coco]

I'm a firm believer that you can't show what's not already inside somewhere, coco. I mean, could you imagine Margaret Thatcher trying to be cute and funny and charming? Noooot gunna work, is it?

I'm sure this is true but I definitely think there had to be things he found attractive and appealing in Morgan that were missing from Coraline's earlier persona. I'm sure Morgan is ALL the things Mick would be attracted to and Coraline had planned for just that.

[allegrita]

I understand what you mean, coco. I can see her deliberately assuming an identity that incorporates traits that Mick would find interesting and attractive. And grace and Luxe, let me quote the brilliant Jon Lovitz: "Acting!" (Although I do think that Coraline had those traits in her--they just weren't necessarily ones Mick got to see much of during his marriage...)

[wpgrace]

I understand what you mean, coco. I can see her deliberately assuming an identity that incorporates traits that Mick would find interesting and attractive. And grace and Luxe, let me quote the brilliant Jon Lovitz: "Acting!" (Although I do think that Coraline had those traits in her--they just weren't necessarily ones Mick got to see much of during his marriage...)

Hmmm... I dunno. He had to see that cuteness at some point in the marriage, Alle... he was attracted to her seductress self for sure, but he DID marry her and stay that way for a minute or two...

So I always figured the Morgan we saw WAS partly the Cora that Mick saw... only there woulda been ANOTHER, less fun, more challenging, dark, and demanding, Cora that came out too, from time to time. Not to mention, of course, the crazy Cora that thought to turn a child would equal a family to His Mickness... He certainly didn't act as tho Morgan was some big shocking new thing... he seemed vaguely amused by and comfortable with her... so I think she was at least somewhat familiar.

I mean, something has to explain that he fell for her in the first place. And sexually addicted as he admits to being, I can't imagine that's literally all of it. Mick can't be that pathetic...

[mwj01]

I think some of the traits that kept him going back to Cora were showing-up in Morgan. He was quickly pulled-in to her, so I agree that there was familiarity there. She was likely just suppressing those less attractive traits that had made him leave.

[allegrita]

It's fun to speculate, and unfortunately that's all we can do--because we saw only the siren/femme fatale side of Coraline in the flashbacks. I guess my feeling (and I'm pushing off-topic so I apologize) is that, once Mick was consumed by anger and feelings of betrayal over the turning--the elephant in the room, so to speak--it would suck most of the lightness and fun out of the marriage. Like any rocky relationship, it would tend more toward the intense, by virtue of the emotions involved. Love and hate, passion and fury, attraction and repellence. But it stands to reason that there were fun and playful times over the years, too. In any case (and trying to lurch myself back on topic), Morgan was a wonderful combination of seductive and funny and smart. She kinda had that "best of all possible worlds" thing going. And she worked very well with Mick in this scene, too--so add respect to the other feelings Mick was beginning to have about Morgan.