Moonlightaholics

mwj01 wrote:

VAsusieQ18 wrote:Kelly, by off profile, I mean the BAU Team were wrong in their profile. What you've said is exactly what I was trying to say, but you said it so much better Early on in the episode, they tagged him for a sexual psychopath. That was wrong. Vincent was not filming these women to relive the moment for sexual gratification. We then learn that Vincent's mother had been stabbed to death by his father. Vicent stayed with his mother for hours, most likely witnessing the life pass out of her, out of her eyes. Thus his fascination with watching the eyes of the women he killed. Obviously no one recognized the mental health issues that a young Vincent was dealing with and this illness, combined with his OCD, ultimately let to the man we see as an adult Vincent. I would have loved for the BAU Team to realize their mistake and admit as such before the episode was over. Again, I can't wait to talk to my work colleagues tomorrow and see what they think. As I said above, they actual hate Criminal Minds with a passion, saying they oversimplify a very complex and always evolving science.

Alex did a great job of showing how scared, alone and confused Vincent felt in the real world. He struck out at the perceived source of his misery, i.e. these women and/or society in general. His OCD only added to the psychosis he'd been dealing with as a result of witnessing his mother's murder.

I agree, it would have been nice to hear the team acknowledge that the killings weren't for sexual gratification.

Speaking of young Vincent witnessing his mother's murder, it was just a flash but did the kid seem 'off'? Odd reaction I thought.

mwj01 wrote:I was really hoping to see a noticeable blip in those numbers too. Was the 100th Lost ep heavily pushed?

Fleur de Lisa wrote:I am so glad that you all brought up that entire "sexual psychopath" issue. I thought it was just me missing something, when they never referenced it again. I realize in the beginning of the episode, there is a lot of brainstorming going on, throwing out different ideas and hypotheses, I just wish they would have cleared that up a bit better later on.

And another thing that drove me a bit crazy, for a guy who was so particular about everything--due to his debilitating OCD, I was floored when he drank the milk straight from the container!! I realize he lived alone, and no one was sharing it with him, but he also used a new bar of soap every time he washed his hands, and cut his sandwich a certain way, etc.

That just seemed to be such a normal guy thing to do--and very un-Vincent.

nayp wrote:

Fleur de Lisa wrote:I am so glad that you all brought up that entire "sexual psychopath" issue. I thought it was just me missing something, when they never referenced it again. I realize in the beginning of the episode, there is a lot of brainstorming going on, throwing out different ideas and hypotheses, I just wish they would have cleared that up a bit better later on.

And another thing that drove me a bit crazy, for a guy who was so particular about everything--due to his debilitating OCD, I was floored when he drank the milk straight from the container!! I realize he lived alone, and no one was sharing it with him, but he also used a new bar of soap every time he washed his hands, and cut his sandwich a certain way, etc.

That just seemed to be such a normal guy thing to do--and very un-Vincent.

I saw that, and my take on that, was he knew he was going to die.

SirenSong wrote:The only real question I had after viewing last night's episode was why Vincent kept killing women who looked like his mother. After rewatching the episode 3 or 4 times, I paid more attention to the video of his mother's death and realized something that I didn't on first viewing. (you bright and attentive ladies probably picked this up first off)

His mother was carrying on an affair in the house while Vincent was home. The father comes in, catches them in the act, throws the other man out and that's when the violence starts. The father yells at the mom about how she could do this with their son in the house and she yells back that she hates him (the husband) and hates her life. That's when he stabs her.

So is he killing these women as some sort of punishment for her actions or as some sort of way to keep her with him?

wpgrace wrote:Hmmmm... the bread and saran wrap just made me want to cry for him... He was so out of his element getting shot like that, and had no way to express his shock and pain... He REALLY held in any outward display of the enormous, in fact fatal, pain he was feeling, because he wasn't gonna miss his date with that child. So I find it an oddly moving gesture... usually working that sandwich was a ritual, a stress relief, for him. This time it was too, but the bread-of-life served a different purpose.

Once you saw the end, so much of what had been creepy about Vincent becomes poignant. I haven't watched it the second time, yet, but will later today. (We had a crisis, fortunately not until 10 pm last night, of needing to have hippies explained in prep for a history test...) but I expect I will cry more when I see it today... as I now know how it ended and what he sacrificed for the boy...

Sigh. Somehow watching Alex always makes me sigh...

And yes, he can't hide how darn good-looking he is, but there was nothing sexual about poor Vincent...

mwj01 wrote:

VAsusieQ18 wrote:Kelly, by off profile, I mean the BAU Team were wrong in their profile. What you've said is exactly what I was trying to say, but you said it so much better Early on in the episode, they tagged him for a sexual psychopath. That was wrong. Vincent was not filming these women to relive the moment for sexual gratification. We then learn that Vincent's mother had been stabbed to death by his father. Vicent stayed with his mother for hours, most likely witnessing the life pass out of her, out of her eyes. Thus his fascination with watching the eyes of the women he killed. Obviously no one recognized the mental health issues that a young Vincent was dealing with and this illness, combined with his OCD, ultimately let to the man we see as an adult Vincent. I would have loved for the BAU Team to realize their mistake and admit as such before the episode was over. Again, I can't wait to talk to my work colleagues tomorrow and see what they think. As I said above, they actual hate Criminal Minds with a passion, saying they oversimplify a very complex and always evolving science.

Alex did a great job of showing how scared, alone and confused Vincent felt in the real world. He struck out at the perceived source of his misery, i.e. these women and/or society in general. His OCD only added to the psychosis he'd been dealing with as a result of witnessing his mother's murder.

I agree, it would have been nice to hear the team acknowledge that the killings weren't for sexual gratification.

Speaking of young Vincent witnessing his mother's murder, it was just a flash but did the kid seem 'off'? Odd reaction I thought.

wpgrace wrote:

nayp wrote:

Fleur de Lisa wrote:I am so glad that you all brought up that entire "sexual psychopath" issue. I thought it was just me missing something, when they never referenced it again. I realize in the beginning of the episode, there is a lot of brainstorming going on, throwing out different ideas and hypotheses, I just wish they would have cleared that up a bit better later on.

And another thing that drove me a bit crazy, for a guy who was so particular about everything--due to his debilitating OCD, I was floored when he drank the milk straight from the container!! I realize he lived alone, and no one was sharing it with him, but he also used a new bar of soap every time he washed his hands, and cut his sandwich a certain way, etc.

That just seemed to be such a normal guy thing to do--and very un-Vincent.

I saw that, and my take on that, was he knew he was going to die.

Yeah I think that was the point... He DID act out of character, for a reason. He had been shot, was in enormous pain... you saw the look on his face while and after drinking... he was in life- preservation mode... probably dehydrating with a shower and blood loss... so he desperately gulped milk... dressed his wounds... and then willed himself to take Stanley on their date. And how sad that what he drinks is milk... sorta a kid's beverage. Heart-breaking...

SirenSong wrote:

mwj01 wrote:

VAsusieQ18 wrote:Kelly, by off profile, I mean the BAU Team were wrong in their profile. What you've said is exactly what I was trying to say, but you said it so much better Early on in the episode, they tagged him for a sexual psychopath. That was wrong. Vincent was not filming these women to relive the moment for sexual gratification. We then learn that Vincent's mother had been stabbed to death by his father. Vicent stayed with his mother for hours, most likely witnessing the life pass out of her, out of her eyes. Thus his fascination with watching the eyes of the women he killed. Obviously no one recognized the mental health issues that a young Vincent was dealing with and this illness, combined with his OCD, ultimately let to the man we see as an adult Vincent. I would have loved for the BAU Team to realize their mistake and admit as such before the episode was over. Again, I can't wait to talk to my work colleagues tomorrow and see what they think. As I said above, they actual hate Criminal Minds with a passion, saying they oversimplify a very complex and always evolving science.

Alex did a great job of showing how scared, alone and confused Vincent felt in the real world. He struck out at the perceived source of his misery, i.e. these women and/or society in general. His OCD only added to the psychosis he'd been dealing with as a result of witnessing his mother's murder.

I agree, it would have been nice to hear the team acknowledge that the killings weren't for sexual gratification.

Speaking of young Vincent witnessing his mother's murder, it was just a flash but did the kid seem 'off'? Odd reaction I thought.

I thought the same thing about young Vincent's reaction. Makes you wonder how much his mother's actions had scarred him before her murder happened. How much more had he been witness to over the years while hiding in that closet?

darlingcat wrote:There was some kind of pleasure or release in that scene. here is the visual to odm's comment