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librarian_7 wrote:I'm going to have to miss a lot (I hope there's a lot, anyway), over the next few days, but I just wanted to throw out a thought.

It's always struck me--and bear with me here for a second--how much Teenvamp is presented as a younger version of Mick. Before you grab tomatoes, yes, that kid would never have grown into someone as gorgeous as Mick, but--the dark, curling hair, the clothes (so very similar to Mick's black coat and baseball cap from Fever...), the self-loathing. He is what Mick sees himself as being.

He is a dark, very dark, mirror image of Mick. This is particularly noticeably in the scene that cuts back and forth between Mick and Beth in car, and TeenVamp talking to the hooker in the bar. And their conversations, both on the phone and later, in the amusement park, are not face to face. Each is talking, but to himself.

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I thought that too. In the roller coaster scene it is hard to discern who is who, who is biting whom. The teen vamp is more aggressive, but other than that at first viewing I didn't really see what happened until the teen head was on the ground. The whole conversation about true love mimicked what Mick was struggling with all the time.
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PNWgal wrote:I'm wondering if it's an iPhone background, Grace.

So everybody shows up as a rose with an iphone?
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PNWgal wrote:I'm wondering if it's an iPhone background, Grace.

So everybody shows up as a rose with an iphone?
I think the owner of the iPhone chooses what shows up when someone calls. The rose might be a standard. Later, Beth takes a picture of Mick at the beach and from then on THAT is what shows up whenever he calls. I think a picture of Mo shows up when she calls.
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The vamps are at Josef's office looking over information Ryder pulled up. Natalie Hall, the girl who was murdered goes by the name Jazzmyn.

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He reads from the screen. She was voted most likely to succeed by her high school class. Her favorite quote: have fun in the sun, get laid in the shade. (Ooookay)

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You can hear the elevator. Mick walks over to escort Beth in.

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Appears Josef wants to get a good look.

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He introduces her to the two other vamps.

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Josef is all charm. Tells Beth there are such beautiful women on the internet. He stares at her.

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So does Ryder.

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A little uncomfortable, Beth asks why she is there.

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Ryder says Mick said she had a great voice. Beth looks to Mick.

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Mick walks her in and explains. Josef continues to stare.

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Ryder has a list of all the incoming calls on the dead girl's website in the last 24 hours of her life. One of them is probably the killer. Beth guesses that they want her to call the numbers and talk to him.

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Josef quips that she's a quick study.

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Mick acknowledges the plan. They'll get the guy if they're lucky.

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Beth asks what she should say - she's never talked to a serial killer before.

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Josef tells her to be polite. Say please, thank you.

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They tell her to do whatever escorts do.

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Beth takes off her coat, eyeing Mick. In a seductive tone she says "whatever you want".

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Josef doesn't say anything. Just love the look.

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Beth sits down and Ryder dials up the first call.

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A guy answers. Beth is nervous but trys to get into character.

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She says she's Jazzmyn.

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They guy doesn't sound particularly thrilled that she called. He winds up calling her an idiot whorebag and hangs up. Beth starts to laugh.

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She's apologetic that she messed up. Mick assures her its okay. It's not the guy. This guy assumed she was alive.

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Again, no comment from Josef. Just a great face. Looks like the bloom is off the rose.

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They try to reassure her. Ryder tells her she was hot.

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He dials up the next number and the teen vamp answers.

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He thinks its Cherish. That surprises them.

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She tries to draw him out. He asks if they are still on for that day. Looks like he's watching a video of a girl. Is it Cherish?

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He's happy to talk to her. Says she seems nice and they are going to have a blast.

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He says he'll see her at Greene's and hangs up before Beth can say anything else.

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The conversation was weird. Like the guy wanted a girlfriend, not a hooker.

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Josef asks if anyone knows where Greene's is.

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No one does. Ryder has the guys land line phone number and his address.

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He suggest that if the plans are for that day, they better hurry and see if they can catch him.

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Not that this matters AT ALL... but he is wearing my favorite henley in this episode... from here on out, that henley... just thought I'd mention it... cause I don't think I've ever mentioned it before... or at least not yet today...

And he's an interesting admixture of proud to show Beth off and cautious and protective of Beth in this scene I think...
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I *adore* this scene. Beth is wonderful - feisty, go-get-'em, sexy and Mick is just divine. I don't really have anything insightful to add...

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I agree that this scene is great for Mick and Beth. The look, the double entendre when she says "Whatever you want" in that incredible sexy voice is priceless. So is the reaction of every male in the room. The only thing I found odd was Josef's reaction. Earlier, before Beth came in, there was this great interaction between Mick and Josef about how finding an 'escort' had changed over the years. But when Beth is doing her 'call girl' routine, he seemed somewhat disturbed.....almost awkward....
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Adored this sequence. Mick--protective and looking as hot as he ever has. Beth--alternating between cute and sexy. And Josef--great facial expressions; he needs no words, it's all there on his face to see what he's feeling.
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darkstarrising wrote:I agree that this scene is great for Mick and Beth. The look, the double entendre when she says "Whatever you want" in that incredible sexy voice is priceless. So is the reaction of every male in the room. The only thing I found odd was Josef's reaction. Earlier, before Beth came in, there was this great interaction between Mick and Josef about how finding an 'escort' had changed over the years. But when Beth is doing her 'call girl' routine, he seemed somewhat disturbed.....almost awkward....
It is great scene and Mick was a tad embarrassed when Ryder talked about Beth's voice. I think Josef became impatient all of a sudden and wanted them to get on to the next possible suspect, rather than waste time laughing about messing the initial call up - there was a killer :vampire: out there and he wanted him found and whacked stat :mob: imho and yes, his facial expressions are wonderful.
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Question: Josef looked a combination of surprised and hungry when Beth walks in. Why? Do you think he was really that interested in her or was it to get a rise out of Mick?
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GuardianAngel wrote:Question: Josef looked a compbination of surprised and hungry when Beth walks in. Why? Do you think he was really that interested in her or was it to get a rise out of Mick?
My own read - she wasn't what he expected. Sure, he had seen her on the web, but now she was walking into his lair. While she didn't know if either he or Ryder were vamps, if they were friends of Mick's, it was possible. So, she walks in, unafraid, beautiful and willing to participate in their little game. Josef is surprised and interested.
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I have always been of the opinion that Mick tells Josef pretty much everything that's important to him. Josef knows how intensely Mick's life was affected saving Beth as a child, he knows how Beth's life gave Mick the feeling that his life was worth something throughout the years and now that Mick has connected with the adult Beth and is slowly...and probably apparently clear to Josef, falling in love with her...Josef is very interested in meeting this human. His look is predatorial and it says..."delicious". She is lovely to look at...he never takes his eyes off her, almost circling her with his interest...I imagine him subtley breathing in her scent. Beth looks at him directly in the eye...no shrinking violet, our Beth...and Mick is definitely smitten...Josef is most impressed. What I saw in the look he gave Mick was a silent but knowing..."Impressive, Mick...you have exellent taste...who'd have thought".
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I personally thought that Josef's reactions were a bit out of character. He should be way more smooth and suave than that, IMO. His reaction upon meeting her initially wasn't the problem. It was the weird/awkward/uncomfortable thing later that just seemed too played up. Josef has been around thousands of beautiful human in his 300+ years, so why the weird reaction to Beth? Didn't make sense to me. Hell, Ryder's reaction was smoother than Josef's. Did that make sense? Jason himself admitted that it took a long time to get a handle on how to play Josef, so maybe this was his choice and possibly not the right one.
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Hmmmm. Does Josef know at this point that Beth Turner is the child Mick saved from Coraline? We know that he's aware of it later on but he didn't know in NSTV. So just when do you think Mick shares that little tidbit.

SS, I have to agree with you. I thought it was a little over the top for Josef. Yes, Beth is beautiful and courageous but he's just a tad overly impressed. After the look Mick gives him in OotP when Josef says he'd like to meet her I thought maybe this display was just to see how far he could push Mick.
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GuardianAngel wrote:Hmmmm. Does Josef know at this point that Beth Turner is the child Mick saved from Coraline? We know that he's aware of it later on but he didn't know in NSTV. So just when do you think Mick shares that little tidbit.

SS, I have to agree with you. I thought it was a little over the top for Josef. Yes, Beth is beautiful and courageous but just a tad overly impressed. After the look Mick gives him in OotP when Josef says he'd like to meet her I thought maybe this display was just to see how far he could push Mick.

Well he knows about the bite in the dessert. So Mick has talked to him about this human and he knows how important she is to him... so I'm guessing that little tidbit has at this point been shared...

But agree with SS that Josef was a bit less smooth than 400 years shoulda bought...
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