Moonlight Episode Discussion - Ep 16: Sonata

Re: Moonlight Episode Discussion - Ep 16: Sonata

Postby jen » Sat May 14, 2011 4:07 am

The first time I saw that last scene of Sonata, I reacted badly to it on many levels. In the first place, I had just learned that the show I had become totally enamoured with was cancelled almost a year before (major bummer) and I just thought the focal point of the last conversation, 'what was I wearing?' was totally lame but this time through, after watching it a lot of times, I saw it differently.

Some people strive to live their lives 'in the moment' rather than relying more on careful planning and logic. However we choose to do it, we live our lives in the tension between these two perspectives. Yes, it comes down to 'right here, right now' to Mick. To Beth, it was a question about the place she occupied in Mick's heart.

At least, in the final episode, they gave us that.
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Re: Moonlight Episode Discussion - Ep 16: Sonata

Postby allegrita » Sat May 14, 2011 4:09 am

Yeah - they gave us that. Not enough, but that. :Mickangel:
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Re: Moonlight Episode Discussion - Ep 16: Sonata

Postby nutmegger911 » Sat May 14, 2011 4:11 am

Maybe whoever sent the list doesn't know everything.

How I love that last scene. Right here, right now. :melts:
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Re: Moonlight Episode Discussion - Ep 16: Sonata

Postby allegrita » Sat May 14, 2011 4:13 am

Well, I've got to say, that last scene sure got my muse in gear... Gosh, I miss her...
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Re: Moonlight Episode Discussion - Ep 16: Sonata

Postby darkstarrising » Sat May 14, 2011 4:14 am

:ghug: for Alle's muse

I didn't watch this episode tonight....I find it too hard to watch, knowing what the ending could have led to but didn't. :Mickangel:
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Re: Moonlight Episode Discussion - Ep 16: Sonata

Postby nutmegger911 » Sat May 14, 2011 4:18 am

Aww, DSR, :comfort:

Remember, it led to lots of fanfic. And Alle's muse is stoked! :hyper:
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Re: Moonlight Episode Discussion - Ep 16: Sonata

Postby jen » Sat May 14, 2011 4:18 am

This seemed in many ways to change so much of the heirarchy of the vampires. In other episodes, Josef was deferred to either because of his wealth or his age. He wielded a lot of power over the vampire community. Here, Mick did and that surprised me. He commanded vampires far older than himself and that seemed to go against the 'with age comes power' rule. But in Moonlight, rules were routinely made and cheerfully broken.

Logan was out of his basement and acting like a functioning member of vampire society. Who knew?

Guillermo was...Guillermo. How sensitive and perceptive he is! The Cleaners were as imposing and cold as almost always without a single hair out of place.

Josef...was Josef. Perfectly in character.

Adored Mick and Josef's scene about relationship issues. Vampire...guy stuff.
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Re: Moonlight Episode Discussion - Ep 16: Sonata

Postby jen » Sat May 14, 2011 4:20 am

:gasp:

If anyone sees Alle's muse, please PLEASE send it home quick!!!!!
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Re: Moonlight Episode Discussion - Ep 16: Sonata

Postby darkstarrising » Sat May 14, 2011 4:21 am

nutmegger911 wrote:Aww, DSR, :comfort:

Remember, it led to lots of fanfic. And Alle's muse is stoked! :hyper:


Indeed it did :heart: and a lot of fascinating conversation with all of you :ghug:
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Re: Moonlight Episode Discussion - Ep 16: Sonata

Postby nutmegger911 » Sat May 14, 2011 4:27 am

Hi Jen, :wave:
I always thought the comment "with age comes power" was referring to physical power, and maybe better honed skills.

I never thought Josef had prominence in the community solely due to his age. He has accumulated enough to have the power that goes with money (mobility, etc.), in addition to the vamp power that comes with age. I'm not sure how that translates in the politics of the vampire community. That said, Josef can surely handle the politics.
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Re: Moonlight Episode Discussion - Ep 16: Sonata

Postby librarian_7 » Sat May 14, 2011 4:30 am

nutmegger911 wrote:Hi Jen, :wave:
I always thought the comment "with age comes power" was referring to physical power, and maybe better honed skills.

I never thought Josef had prominence in the community solely due to his age. He has accumulated enough to have the power that goes with money (mobility, etc.), in addition to the vamp power that comes with age. I'm not sure how that translates in the politics of the vampire community. That said, Josef can surely handle the politics.


Well, we all know Josef is like Mary Poppins--"practically perfect in every way." But I do think Josef's very clear power in the community is a combination of age and money.

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Re: Moonlight Episode Discussion - Ep 16: Sonata

Postby jen » Sat May 14, 2011 4:31 am

Interesting.

While we view things much the same way, our perspectives and interpretations are just a bit different.
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Re: Moonlight Episode Discussion - Ep 16: Sonata

Postby librarian_7 » Sat May 14, 2011 4:35 am

jen wrote:This seemed in many ways to change so much of the heirarchy of the vampires. In other episodes, Josef was deferred to either because of his wealth or his age. He wielded a lot of power over the vampire community. Here, Mick did and that surprised me. He commanded vampires far older than himself and that seemed to go against the 'with age comes power' rule. But in Moonlight, rules were routinely made and cheerfully broken.



My thought on that has always been that Mick has Josef's unspoken backing...and everyone knows that. Plus, Josef is smart enough to know Mick is better at this sort of thing, and he's going to back his friend's play.

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Re: Moonlight Episode Discussion - Ep 16: Sonata

Postby allegrita » Sat May 14, 2011 4:35 am

Thanks for the muse hugs, ladies. :ghug: I think she's perking up. :teeth:

Regarding Mick being in a position of power in this episode. I always interpreted it differently. It was more like, "Your ineptitude got us into this mess. If you'd handled things better, we wouldn't have to deal with it. So it's up to you to get us out."

Maybe I'm off-base, but... that's the way it looks to me. :shrug:
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Re: Moonlight Episode Discussion - Ep 16: Sonata

Postby cassysj » Sat May 14, 2011 4:37 am

I actually saw it that way as well Alle. The Cleaners were not happy about him letting Emma be arrested.
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