Sleeping Beauty -- "missing" scene: Josef and John Whitley

Re: Sleeping Beauty -- "missing" scene: Josef and John Whitley

Postby PNWgal » Sun May 10, 2009 1:30 am

NocturneInCMoll wrote:It's a real shame this scene got lost. I think it would have added so much to the episode and to the show overall, especially in terms of Josef's character (he was underused and underexplored). I think it almost fitting that he was talking to a dead man and knew it.

It makes me sad for what the show could have been if it had gotten its act together.



Agreed, Julie - this would have been a wonderful way to cement that Josef was a complex and multi-faceted character.

I would have LOVED to see this scene - Jason would have rocked it.
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Re: Sleeping Beauty -- "missing" scene: Josef and John Whitley

Postby NocturneInCMoll » Sun May 10, 2009 1:36 am

Lilly's fleshed-out version (with Whitley still alive) is fantastic, too.
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Re: Sleeping Beauty -- "missing" scene: Josef and John Whitley

Postby darkstarrising » Sun May 10, 2009 1:51 pm

If anybody going to the London convention could ask Jason Dohring whether this scene was ever shot, that would be greatly appreciated. If it wasn't, was there a reason why?

ITA with all above. The scene would have been a great addition to the episode.
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Re: Sleeping Beauty -- "missing" scene: Josef and John Whitley

Postby Lilly » Sun May 10, 2009 2:12 pm

DSR - I was thinking the same think about asking Jason. It's been driving me nuts that I had him sign the script and I didn't even know the scene was there to ask him about it. :slaphead:
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Re: Sleeping Beauty -- "missing" scene: Josef and John Whitley

Postby darkstarrising » Sun May 10, 2009 2:29 pm

Lilly,

It will be interesting to hear what the story is behind the deleted scene and what Jason's own feeling about it were....
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Re: Sleeping Beauty -- "missing" scene: Josef and John Whitley

Postby greenleaf9 » Mon May 11, 2009 3:01 pm

What a powerful scene...would have loved to see this in the episode...(or your scene Lilly! Both are excellent. :rose: )

I also like that Whitley is already dead...it's another layer for Josef...he broke my heart so many times in "Sleeping Beauty." Such a rich, complex, fascinating character. I so wish he had been explored more on the show. :yes:
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Re: Sleeping Beauty -- "missing" scene: Josef and John Whitley

Postby Luxe de Luxe » Wed May 20, 2009 5:33 am

What a d#@n shame this didn't make it to the screen. I think that his speech, knowing that Whitley is dead, speaks to Josef's need for absolution. He's carried the guilt for so long, felt himself to be a monster for 'killing' the one he loved, for so long - he needed her father to know that he loved her, to change his mind about Josef even a little bit, may have gone somewhere to lessening the suffering Josef himself feels at her situation. The fact that Whitley is dead is incredibly poignant, because now, I believe this leaves Josef with an eternal stain on his conscience, one there is no release from for him.
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Re: Sleeping Beauty -- "missing" scene: Josef and John Whitley

Postby allegrita » Wed May 20, 2009 5:56 am

Luxe, I agree... the poignancy of the scene lies, for me, in the fact that Josef never has a chance to erase his guilt over having failed Sarah. He'd have to know that Whitley was dead...so his words are to himself. He's trying to convince himself. I can almost see Jason doing this scene...and I'd have loved to see it. I agree that it should have been the final scene, a perfect way to draw the episode closed.

But I have to agree with grace that Lilly's story is even better. :rose:
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Re: Sleeping Beauty -- "missing" scene: Josef and John Whitley

Postby Phoenix » Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:15 pm

Lilly, is your version of the scene still kicking around somewhere? (I can't find it...) :sigh:

I would have loved to see that scene in the ep. Jason would have been brilliant.
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Re: Sleeping Beauty -- "missing" scene: Josef and John Whitley

Postby Lilly » Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:16 pm

Phoenix wrote:Lilly, is your version of the scene still kicking around somewhere? (I can't find it...) :sigh:

I would have loved to see that scene in the ep. Jason would have been brilliant.

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Re: Sleeping Beauty -- "missing" scene: Josef and John Whitley

Postby Phoenix » Sat Jul 11, 2009 4:31 pm

Thanks, Lilly. :smooch: I read it, and left a comment - of sorts. :?
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Re: Sleeping Beauty -- "missing" scene: Josef and John Whitley

Postby Kade1301 » Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:33 pm

When I watched the episode recently it occurred to me that the end was missing - Whitley would still be wanting revenge and just hire another hit man. So they really should have included the Josef/Whitley scene - it would have tied up the loose ends!

And now I'm wondering how many other plot holes are not the writer's fault at all but were created during filming/editing... And how many goodies there are around to be included on a future collector's DVD set with bonus material... A girl can dream, can't she?
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