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Postby cassysj » Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:45 pm

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librarian_7 wrote:If you look at some of the scenes in Josef's office, particularly when he's talking with Beth in FdL, you can see that the central figure from the ceiling mural, is also repeated on columns in the office walls.

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Notice the figure off to the left.


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Re: Josef's mural - info from the artist Alex Gross

Postby VAsusieQ18 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:06 pm

That is so cool, Lilly, that you've been able to converse with him about the painting. I assume that the one he has rolled up in the largest casing he's ever used is the painting I stood beside and touched while on the Moonlight set/soundstage on the WB tour back in May. It was haphazzardly leaning against the huge table used in Josef's office. Nothing was left of the set, but that painting was huge and definitely stood out. It was awesome to look at it and just take it all in. Its quite beautiful and definitely would be the subject of many a conversation if anyone were to purchase a copy. Again, thanks for asking the artist those questions and for letting us know if his willingness to work on getting us prints, if we so wish.
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Re: Josef's mural - info from the artist Alex Gross

Postby Catmoon » Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:14 pm

cassysj wrote:I'm completely oblivious. This is extraordinary. You know in a lot of ways the internet and dvds have lessened my observation of some of my favorite shows. For example 20 years ago when all I had were my VHS tapes they were watched over and over and over and I knew everything about Quantum Leap for example. What they wore, places, things. Now, so much of my time is spent either on the internet or watching Netflix movies I don't have time to re-watch shows the way I once did. It's kind of interesting because I know it's the exact opposite for a lot of people.


Or, it could be that... like I said on another thread, when Josef is in the room even a magnificant office such as his gets eclipsed. I didn't realize the image was elsewhere either until it was pointed out, but I feel sure that if they had scenes in his office when he wasn't there I would have noticed. :snicker:
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Re: Josef's mural - info from the artist Alex Gross

Postby AggieVamp » Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:16 pm

I would like to add my thanks to you Lilly for contacting him. And I also have to admit to being oblivious to the mural - HOWEVER once I've seen it - it is GORGEOUS! And your interpretation from a Moonlight perspective is fabulous. The colors are SO vivid - and I am thinking I'd love a print of it as well *makes note to email artist*

Thank you SO much Lilly - this was incredibly fascinating!

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Re: Josef's mural - info from the artist Alex Gross

Postby Lilly » Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:25 pm

VAsusieQ18 wrote:That is so cool, Lilly, that you've been able to converse with him about the painting. I assume that the one he has rolled up in the largest casing he's ever used is the painting I stood beside and touched while on the Moonlight set/soundstage on the WB tour back in May. It was haphazzardly leaning against the huge table used in Josef's office. Nothing was left of the set, but that painting was huge and definitely stood out. It was awesome to look at it and just take it all in. Its quite beautiful and definitely would be the subject of many a conversation if anyone were to purchase a copy. Again, thanks for asking the artist those questions and for letting us know if his willingness to work on getting us prints, if we so wish.

Susie! You touched it?? :happysigh:
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Re: Josef's mural - info from the artist Alex Gross

Postby francis » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:13 pm

I wonder... they didn't REALLY burn the office down, did they? I saw a behind the scenes video where Jason explained that they put explosives under the table for the poker play scene, but did they really burn the place or did they take all the art and furniture out and then put in burnt cable and plaster and all the rubble we see in the last episodes? I have no idea how it is done, but they can't possibly have really burned the set down, can they?
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Re: Josef's mural - info from the artist Alex Gross

Postby VAsusieQ18 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:19 pm

Lilly wrote:
VAsusieQ18 wrote:That is so cool, Lilly, that you've been able to converse with him about the painting. I assume that the one he has rolled up in the largest casing he's ever used is the painting I stood beside and touched while on the Moonlight set/soundstage on the WB tour back in May. It was haphazzardly leaning against the huge table used in Josef's office. Nothing was left of the set, but that painting was huge and definitely stood out. It was awesome to look at it and just take it all in. Its quite beautiful and definitely would be the subject of many a conversation if anyone were to purchase a copy. Again, thanks for asking the artist those questions and for letting us know if his willingness to work on getting us prints, if we so wish.

Susie! You touched it?? :happysigh:


Yup, touched it and stood inches from it for 10 minutes! :snicker: Its HUGE! Taller than me at 5'10" and bigger across than the huge black table that was used in Josef's office. Its also a lot brighter than I thought it would be. I guess in the scenes from Moonlight, Josef's office was always dark or had little light. But on the soundstage, with nothing much around to detract from its sheer size and beauty, it really stood out as a great piece of art. I even noticed that when viewing the painting from various angles, you get a different "feel" for it, if that makes sense. It's truly stunning!
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Postby Josefismysire » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:23 pm

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Re: Josef's mural - info from the artist Alex Gross

Postby librarian_7 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:28 pm

I, too, remember being in that soundstage, and suddenly realizing, OMG that's Josef's office mural! It did seem like it was casually stuck over against a handy wall. I sure wish they'd let us take a few pics in there. The partially dismantled sets were so evocative to us.

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Re: Josef's mural - info from the artist Alex Gross

Postby Lilly » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:30 pm

francis wrote:I wonder... they didn't REALLY burn the office down, did they? I saw a behind the scenes video where Jason explained that they put explosives under the table for the poker play scene, but did they really burn the place or did they take all the art and furniture out and then put in burnt cable and plaster and all the rubble we see in the last episodes? I have no idea how it is done, but they can't possibly have really burned the set down, can they?

I think someone who visited the set could answer this better than I can, but I'm guessing they can't afford to be unnecessarily wasteful in television production. We know they removed the mural. My guess is that all of the real furniture and set dressing were removed and then they re-dressed the set with the "burned out" look.
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Re: Josef's mural - info from the artist Alex Gross

Postby VAsusieQ18 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:40 pm

Lilly wrote:
francis wrote:I wonder... they didn't REALLY burn the office down, did they? I saw a behind the scenes video where Jason explained that they put explosives under the table for the poker play scene, but did they really burn the place or did they take all the art and furniture out and then put in burnt cable and plaster and all the rubble we see in the last episodes? I have no idea how it is done, but they can't possibly have really burned the set down, can they?

I think someone who visited the set could answer this better than I can, but I'm guessing they can't afford to be unnecessarily wasteful in television production. We know they removed the mural. My guess is that all of the real furniture and set dressing were removed and then they re-dressed the set with the "burned out" look.


The only sets left standing when we got there for the tour were Mick's apartment and Beth's apartment. Even Mick's freezer had been dismantled. :( I actually cut my leg on a corner of Mick's freezer. I consider the small scar to be a badge of honor! :mrgreen:

Josef's office had been completely dismanted. I'm not even sure if the mural and the table were in the spot they would have been if the set had still been erected. It looked as though they had just put them there, out of the way, waiting to be disposed of in whatever manner they saw fit. So I can't say what was destroyed by shooting the explosion scene. But the huge table and the mural were not, thats for sure! :snicker:
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Re: Josef's mural - info from the artist Alex Gross

Postby Carisa ITT » Tue Mar 24, 2009 6:02 pm

Interesting!

Did you know by the way that "Matasaburo of the wind" is a story, written by the japanese author Kenji Miyazawa ? I wonder if there are any small threads or metaphors to be taken here....

Here's the story btw., for those who are interested: http://www.kenji-world.net/english/work ... aburo.html
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Re: Josef's mural - info from the artist Alex Gross

Postby Lilly » Tue Mar 24, 2009 6:16 pm

In the “Vivianite –The Painters Portal” interview which I quoted above, Alex goes on to say,"What I will say about this piece, is that I owe a great deal of it to the great Japanese artist and designer Shinohara Katsuyuki. He is one of my favorite artists ever. He was an illustrator who did several incredible posters for Japanese underground theater in the 60s and 70s. 'Matasaburo of The Wind' is the name of a traditional Japanese fable, and also was the name of a play for which he did the poster. The main character in that poster is the same woman that I painted in my painting."
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Re: Josef's mural - info from the artist Alex Gross

Postby wollstonecraft61 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 7:28 pm

I would love to have a large copy of this painting hanging in my home. My husband and I go for the minimalist, feng shui look and this would fit perfectly. Alas, not working, so I can't afford it right now, but oh, it would fit so well....
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Re: Josef's mural - info from the artist Alex Gross

Postby redwinter101 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:43 pm

I love this painting (and I've emailed Alex :) ).

As has been mentioned, the character of Matasaburo is known as The Angel of the Wind. Without reading the fable, this painting creates a Hiroshima image for me (the doll, the planes, the eclipse) - and a bridge from the past to the present, with the mechano-industrial background contrasting with the flowers and the traditional forms of the main figure. It really is incredibly beautiful and I hope Alex gets enough interest to make it worthwhile to produce a print.

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